Tuesday, January 22, 2008

IRE Versus "New Discussion"

In my classroom, there is not a lot of large group reading and discussion happening. Nevertheless, based on today’s readings, the type of talk I am seeing in my classroom is mostly IRE (initiation – recitation – evaluation). My teacher reads some to the students, about twenty or thirty minutes of story time after lunch if she does not teach social studies. However, after the story, if she asks questions, she asks ones that are intended to gauge whether or not students paid attention to or read the story. What is frustrating about this is that a lot of times, the same students are answering the initiation questions, and then she is stuck evaluating the entire class on a few students who were particularly attentive. I notice that the IRE model is especially dominant in my class when students are reading or discussing informational texts.
On the occasion that the students were working on Writer’s Workshop, my CT worked to engage students in the first step of “Being Out and Stepping In.” She read through each story and gave students a question from this category that would help them expand on their story, emphasizing that these were questions that readers asked while reading a text. However, none of her questions went beyond this stage, and no question involved “Objectifying the Experience.” Due to the fact that I have not seen students discuss a book in depth, the only role that was mentioned in the Almasi article that I have seen was the Inquisitor. For this role, there are a few students who are constantly questioning things, although their questions are not received well or discussed on a regular basis.
In regard to scaffolding, most of my students would benefit from some form of scaffolding. Many would need them to have the teacher model each role, particularly that of inquisitor. My students seem to ask questions, but not higher-level questions, mostly questions that require simple answers. Also, since they are not used to engaging in texts, it would be helpful for my CT to ask a few probing questions to start the discussion, but then to let students follow up as respondents, and slowly let them take over the discussion. I think from that position, the teacher could step in to help the students’ transition from the IRE format to this new discussion format. She could do it by scaffolding, eventually allowing the students to run their own discussion, with little interruption. If my CT was willing to do this, I think that response-centered discussion could really take off!
For specific needs of students, there are a few students who need help thinking past the “Being Out and Stepping In” stage. They are less proficient readers, and are still practicing reading for the “what” of a story and not the “why.” These students would need to be shown, and helped to think through, how to be inquisitors, and how to respond to others inquisitions. Also, other students may need to help my CT scaffold by being a facilitator, and inviting these students to contribute to the group discussion. Finally, some students may need scaffolding especially in regards to behavior and attentiveness during book talks. Maybe another student could work with them, as well as the instructor, to help them be productive members of the discussion, instead of distractions away from the discussion.
Overall, there is little book discussion done in my classroom at all. This is incredibly worrisome to me because as Almasi stated, “…students who talk about what they read are more likely to engage in reading.” I think that more response-centered discussion, as well as more discussion in general, should take place. A crucial part of processing literature is missing, because my students hear a story and do not then actively engage with the material! I hope that this can be remedied, if not in my CT’s classroom, than in my intern classroom and certainly in my own classroom someday!

3 comments:

Kristin said...

Hey JoAnne!
You did a great job looking objectively at what is happening in your classroom, connecting it to the readings and coming up with ways to change what's lacking! I think that the fact that you recognize the deficiencies in your classroom and want to change them are a great indication of how strong of a literacy environment you're going to have in your own classroom. I loved the quote from Almasi that you referenced, “…students who talk about what they read are more likely to engage in reading," too -- I had highlighted that one in the article as well! It sends a powerful message about the benefits of "new discussion" instead of the traditional IRE model.
I was thinking about everything you've said to us both this semester and last semester about how much your teacher struggles to keep behavior in check in your classroom this year and how it's harder than it ever has been for her before. It crossed my mind that maybe changing her instruction to include response-based discussions about literacy instead of strictly recitation might be one way to get students more interested and involved, and maybe make a positive difference in the classroom environment. I don't really know the situation exactly, but maybe some of the students are acting out because they're bored or not getting a chance to really dig into something they can relate to? I think this might be a good place to start if your teacher was willing to try it!

rober626 said...

YOur blog made me thing of a few things. First, it made me think about how important it is that we always think about context. Your point that you see more IRE in discussion of content area text didn't surprise me- science is one of those areas where there just is more factual information that needs to be learned accurately, and less interpretive information (though there is still a lot). Also, it sounds like your kids are ready to address the issue of "so what". What I mean is, when they step in, they are ready to start thinking about what that experience tells them about the experience of the characters and how that helps (or doesn't help) their comprehension. This is how kids learn to discriminate and monitor when they are making a helpful connection and when their minds are wandering.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jo
I really liked your deep and thoughtful blog this time. I can understand where you are coming from with your frustration. I can tell from other things that you have told me about your teacher that though her intentions are good, she seems to be a bit set in her ways of teaching, even though new evidence suggests that book talks are more productive than following the IRE format.

I also see how only calling on the students that knew the answers is problematic. I had a similar experience today in my classroom when my CT asked the class how many days they've been in school, pointing to the number 95. Though some students gave such answers as 65, etc. she only addressed the student who answered correctly. she could have addressed how 6 and 9 look very similar and it is important to be careful when using these numbers, but she didn't. It just seems the easy way out to call on students whom you know have the right answer. It may be discouraging to others.

All in all, great blog. I really could relate to some of your issues!